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04 May 2021

The Grand Vision And Present Reality of DataOps - E183

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The Data industry is changing rapidly, and one of the most active areas of growth is automation of data workflows. Taking cues from the DevOps movement of the past decade data professionals are orienting around the concept of DataOps. More than just a collection of tools, there are a number of organizational and conceptual changes that a proper DataOps approach depends on. In this episode Kevin Stumpf, CTO of Tecton, Maxime Beauchemin, CEO of Preset, and Lior Gavish, CTO of Monte Carlo, discuss the grand vision and present realities of DataOps. They explain how to think about your data systems in a holistic and maintainable fashion, the security challenges that threaten to derail your efforts, and the power of using metadata as the foundation of everything that you do. If you are wondering how to get control of your data platforms and bring all of your stakeholders onto the same page then this conversation is for you.


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  • Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Max Beauchemin, Lior Gavish, and Kevin Stumpf about the real world challenges of embracing DataOps practices and systems, and how to keep things secure as you scale


  • Introduction
  • How did you get involved in the area of data management?
  • Before we get started, can you each give your definition of what "DataOps" means to you?
    • How does this differ from "business as usual" in the data industry?
    • What are some of the things that DataOps isn’t (despite what marketers might say)?
  • What are the biggest difficulties that you have faced in going from concept to production with a workflow or system intended to power self-serve access to other members of the organization?
  • What are the weak points in the current state of the industry, whether technological or social, that contribute to your greatest sense of unease from a security perspective?
  • As founders of companies that aim to facilitate adoption of various aspects of DataOps, how are you applying the products that you are building to your own internal systems?
  • How does security factor into the design of robust DataOps systems? What are some of the biggest challenges related to security when it comes to putting these systems into production?
  • What are the biggest differences between DevOps and DataOps, particularly when it concerns designing distributed systems?
  • What areas of the DataOps landscape do you think are ripe for innovation?
  • Nowadays, it seems like new DataOps companies are cropping up every day to try and solve some of these problems. Why do you think DataOps is becoming such an important component of the modern data stack?
  • There’s been a lot of conversation recently around the "rise of the data engineer" versus other roles in the data ecosystem (i.e. data scientist or data analyst). Why do you think that is?
  • What are some of the most valuable lessons that you have learned from working with your customers about how to apply DataOps principles?
  • What are some of the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while building your respective platforms and businesses?
  • What are the industry trends that you are each keeping an eye on to inform you future product direction?

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Parting Question

  • From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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