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19 December 2022

Revisit The Fundamental Principles Of Working With Data To Avoid Getting Caught In The Hype Cycle - E351

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The data ecosystem has seen a constant flurry of activity for the past several years, and it shows no signs of slowing down. With all of the products, techniques, and buzzwords being discussed it can be easy to be overcome by the hype. In this episode Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper from share their views on the core principles that you can use to ground your work and avoid getting caught in the hype cycles.


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  • Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper about their views on the role of the data mesh paradigm for driving re-assessment of the foundational principles of data systems


  • Introduction
  • How did you get involved in the area of data management?
  • What are the areas of the data ecosystem that you see the most turmoil and confusion?
  • The past couple of years have brought a lot of attention to the idea of the "modern data stack". How has that influenced the ways that your and your customers' teams think about what skills they need to be effective?
  • The other topic that is introducing a lot of confusion and uncertainty is the "data mesh". How has that changed the ways that teams think about who is involved in the technical and design conversations around data in an organization?
  • Now that we, as an industry, have reached a new generational inflection about how data is generated, processed, and used, what are some of the foundational principles that have proven their worth?
    • What are some of the new lessons that are showing the greatest promise?
    • data modeling
    • data platform/infrastructure
    • data collaboration
    • data governance/security/privacy
  • How does your work at work support these foundational practices?
    • What are some of the ways that you work with your teams and customers to help them stay informed on industry practices?
    • What is your process for understanding the balance between hype and reality as you encounter new ideas/technologies?
  • What are some of the notable changes that have happened in the product and market since I last had Bryon on the show in 2017?
  • What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen used?
  • What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on
  • When is the wrong choice?
  • What do you have planned for the future of

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  • From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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